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Osprey
Apr 9th 2007, 10:30 PM
As I was preparing to leave for Easter (left Thursday, got back late today), I noticed a small growth on the fin of one of my female gourami. I spent a few indecisive moments considering my options, and eventually decided that there was nothing I could do about it until after the holidays. I couldn't cancel my trip home to visit with family, and although the person who was coming over to feed my fish and top up my water level (SW tanks) is good at following instructions, there was no way she'd be up to maintaining a QT tank. So I left, banishing the matter to a small corner of my mind and trying to figure out what the potential problem was.
Before I left, I did a water test on my 46 gallon (NH3=0, NO2=0, NO3=40, which is high, pH=7.8 ) and a 50% water change... the apple snails in the tank have created a massive bioload, so I do weekly large water changes, in addition to growing floating plants like duckweed and water sprite (which I remove periodically for nutrient export).
When I returned, the poor fish had tumors all over her body, and some of them have turned into angry, raised red weals. My fish-sitter hadn't even noticed them :no: . In addition, my two other gourami have also developed tumors, though none as severe as the first infected. I promptly set up a hospital tank to isolate them, and ran the usual water tests again on the 46.
Surprise, surprise... I had an ammonia spike (0.1). I started into another large water change, and had removed about 15 gallons when I realized that something was wrong with the filter... instead of the cascade that normally pours forth from my AC70, there was a steady drip. The new filter guard I installed a week and a half ago had clogged. Guess that explains the ammonia. I think it's a good thing I had duckweed in the tank, or it could have been worse (the stuff quadrupled in size while I was gone, covering the entire surface). Strangely, the rest of my fish, including my hyper-sensitive rummy-nosed tetras, seem fine.
Because of that, I'm not willing to write off the lesions on my gourami as being based solely on water conditions; I'm inclined to suspect that there is a more malignant disease at work. Unfortunately, I'm not exactly the 'disease guru'; my fish are generally healthy, so diagnosis isn't my forte.
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8112/gouramiwx3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Ignore the white/gray circles; they’re either bubbles on the side of the plastic tub, or a trick of the light. At first, the tumors are a pinkish cream, but the largest one is now a nasty red. When I saw the first one, I thought it was a parasite (like an anchorworm). I've been trying to get better pictures, but so far, they're all terrible. Lighting in a QT tank isn't normally a high priority.
I’d hate to think it’s TB, but I’ll euthanize the poor things if I have to. Is it possible for a borderline ammonia reading, accompanied by high nitrates, to cause this sort of symptom? I hate to think of myself as negligent, but if it's just water quality, at least that's something I know how to fix.

Melody
Apr 9th 2007, 10:58 PM
I did not want to read this message. :no: I'm so sorry that you had to come home to that.

First, let me say that its been a long time since I had Gourami, but it might give you something to go on anyway. They are prone to a bacterial infection that has the symptoms that you described, to a point that it is sometimes referred to as Gourami Disease.

Then there are viral infections that they are prone to. I had to go digging because I remembered reading a story about how over 20% of Gourami are infected with a virus. Finally found it:

http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=1139

Good luck with them & please keep us posted.:hugs:

Osprey
Apr 10th 2007, 04:34 PM
Thanks, Melody. I've posted on all the forums I usually haunt, and you're the only person to have responded, although the threads have hundreds of views when combined. The only symptoms I see for gourami disease are a swollen belly and reduced appetite... seems it kills by making the fish susceptible to secondary infections?
It's doubly difficult to diagnose, because I wasn't here to see the symptoms progress. But all three fish are still eating (and passing waste... also a good thing), and none of them seem bloated, so I'm hoping that they don't have that disease. I did find an interesting article on Badman's Tropical Fish (http://badmanstropicalfish.com/articles/article25.html):
Lumps and bumps: there are a number of diseases that begin this way. (1) tumors or lymphocystis which are viral in origin and not treatable, (2) fish pox which is also viral and not treatable (3) various forms of ulcer disease which are caused by Pseudomonas or Aeromonas and are treatable, (4) HITH or LLE which has varied causes and treatments, (5) Costia - a parasite that nearly always causes little red hemorrhages, especially under the chin, (6) various bacterial diseases caused by such as Columnaris, (7) Neoplasm formations.
I'm going to hope it's bacterial, because all the other options are lethal. They haven't gotten any worse in the last 24 hours, so that's a good sign.

CACAdmin
Apr 10th 2007, 07:10 PM
I'm glad to hear that the fish are still eating, etc. I wish I had some answers for you but I am very new to gourarmis. Thanks for posting the link to the article. And best of luck with your fish. (It must have been awful to come home to that). Please keep us posted on how they are doing.

Melody
Apr 10th 2007, 08:16 PM
The mag article mentioned open sores as something to avoid when purchasing, so I thought that might have something to do with it. I am thinking that what we had formerly thought was 'Gourami disease' and bacterial, may have actually been viral, since these things have been around for a decade.

There are many variations of the same bacterial/viral infections out there, so all we can really do is take the closest fit and do our best. I know they're in good hands and if they don't respond, it won't be for a lack of trying.

Badman's is a good site. I think I'll go add that to our links short-list. I only want quality links on there, not a link farm, and I think that site has earned its slot.