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Tanya in Moncton NB
Sep 3rd 2007, 08:27 PM
I have an adult female congo tetra that had something caught in her bottom teeth for about a week now. It looked like some spirulina pellet but I wasn't too sure.

She isn't looking healthy, her skin is looking patchy and she was having trouble eating.
She's a fish with teeth and this growth was on her teeth, inside her mouth so she couldn't close it completely.

If you would have seen the growth you would see that it needed to come off. The poor fish couldn't catch any food since it would just bounce off this growth. She was soo thin compared to my others and I figured I didn't have much time before she starved. I just had to do something to help her before it was too late. I figured I didn't have too much to loose since I was probably going to find her dead soon.

First I caught her, held her gently while in the net still half submerged...I took a paperclip and poked at her bottom teeth to try to floss! (Please don't laugh at me! http://www.eastcoastaquariumsociety.ca/forum/img/smilies/lol.png)
Anyway, it wouldn't come off! It was definetely somekind of green growth.

I posted on another site and was told it cold be saprolegnia. (This is a fungus and it's quite common for it to get algae in it, giving it a green fuzzy appearance.)

Yesterday, I decided to perform dental surgery on her. I netted her and put her in some water with a few drops of clove oil. She wasn't going asleep so I added one more drop...after awhile she was calmer but still not out completely...I figured that might be as good as it gets without killing her!
So I put her on a wet paper towel, and she was still moving a bit. I put a layer of wet towel over her and cut her bottom lip off! Poor fishy!! It had to be done because she couldn't close her mouth anymore...I dabbed some Iodine on it with a Q-tip, and I can tell she felt it. Ouch!
Then, I grabbed her gently with my fingers and layed her in the QT tank with Fungus tablets added to the water. :wideeyed:

She's layed on her side on the bottom and her gills opened up once in a while...It was painful to watch and I really didn't wnat to kill her. http://www.eastcoastaquariumsociety.ca/forum/img/smilies/sad.png I had a feeling that if I didn't do something to her teeth/mouth she would't be able to eat and eventually I would have found her dead!

She's swimming today but didn't eat any food today :( She's swimming but a not normally. She seems to be having a hard time and she's not interested in any food...it's like she doesn't see it even if it's right in front of her.
She's got a red lip today...no wonder!

I still can't believe I did this! lol

Well I should clarify...I didn't cut her hole lip off.
I opened her mouth with tweezers and cut the teeth/growth part off. It did damage her lip a bit though, her bottom lip is now split in 2. Poor fishy! It was quite hard to remove!

If she can pull through, I think it will heal and she should be able to eat now.

She's a fighter!

The green line shows approximately where I cut and the green blob was the size of the growth.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e211/craftythumbs/congo.jpg

Just wanted to share my story! We don't hear of fish dental surgery every day! :;):

Melody
Sep 3rd 2007, 08:35 PM
Although its not something I would recommend, its always great to share experiences. I can understand your dilemma. I hope she recovers for you.

Tanya in Moncton NB
Sep 3rd 2007, 08:41 PM
Yes I agree! It is not something I would recommend either but at this point I felt it was her only chance. Putting her under anestethic(sp) was at least the most humane way I could think of doing this.

Anyway, it was quite the stressful experience! I didn't know if she was going to wake up!

Melody
Sep 3rd 2007, 08:48 PM
:hugs: I would have my heart in my throat the entire time. Have you added salt or Melafix/Pimafix to make sure the wound heals up asap?

Probably your worst scenario would be if the fungus showed up as a secondary infection due to her being weakened by something else. We couldn't know that of course, so I can understand your course of action.

Sometimes we just have to go with our gut. Please keep us updated!

Tanya in Moncton NB
Sep 3rd 2007, 09:09 PM
I was told that the best way to treat saprolegnia is with formalin green. So, I'm treating her with fungus tabs. Thankfully I had some on hand! These things aways happen on holiday wekends!

Now, I'm not absolutely sure this is in fact saprolegnia but the pics looked about right so I gave it a go with the formalin.

I'm telling you I was very stressed while doing this! Half way through, I almost panicked because the fish wasn't going down...I added one more drop and then I was panicking that I might have killed her!

I added some iodine to the wound and once in the water, the mouth part went white and fungussy for a while. Today, the white fuzz is gone, but there's some redness.
She's doing well but not out of the woods yet.
I need to get her to eat!

Melody
Sep 3rd 2007, 09:34 PM
She'll know when she should eat - instinct is an amazing thing. Drives us nuts though....lol.

CACAdmin
Sep 3rd 2007, 10:46 PM
I can't imagine attempting something like that. Sure hope she makes it.

blainep
Sep 3rd 2007, 11:04 PM
Good luck with her. That had to be tough, but she was a goner without help, now she has a shot.

ChrissyFishy
Sep 5th 2007, 01:22 PM
:wideeyed: How is she? You are so very brave!!!

KnaveTO
Sep 5th 2007, 01:56 PM
Just for future reference it is next to impossible to kill a fish with clove oil. When using it though you should put a few drops in a glass and shake it very well till the liquid has a milky white appearance. Once this is done then place the fish in the mixture to anethetise the fish. Leve it in there for a minimum of 4-5 minutes for it to take effect.

As for what you did... not sure if I could have done that or would have thought of it either. hope it pulls through!

Tanya in Moncton NB
Sep 5th 2007, 07:01 PM
Well she died today! :Embarassing:
RIP little fishy!
I though she was going to pull through but it took a turn for the worst.
I guess I tried...it's not something I plan on doing again.

I've used clove oil to euthanize very sick fish before and it worked nicely, but it needs to be shaken a lot. I found it to be a peaceful way of going...

Melody
Sep 5th 2007, 07:37 PM
That's too bad, but you certainly did what you could do.

Melody
Sep 5th 2007, 07:48 PM
Just for future reference it is next to impossible to kill a fish with clove oil. When using it though you should put a few drops in a glass and shake it very well till the liquid has a milky white appearance. Once this is done then place the fish in the mixture to anethetise the fish. Leve it in there for a minimum of 4-5 minutes for it to take effect.

As for what you did... not sure if I could have done that or would have thought of it either. hope it pulls through!

According to my notes, over ¼ ml of Clove Oil per litre of water can kill a fish, more for larger fish. The biggest problem with Clove Oil is the fish can look dead and its brain can still be active, allowing them to come out of it. They can stop breathing and even their heart can stop, yet they can still revive, sometimes hours later. It is for that reason that a second method should be used after the fish is sedated, even if it looks dead.

ChrissyFishy
Sep 6th 2007, 11:40 AM
:( sorry you lost her.

CACAdmin
Sep 6th 2007, 11:48 AM
Sorry she didn't make it. You tried.