What do you call this guy??? [Archive] - Canadian Aquarium Connection - Canada's Fish Community

Pamelajo

Oct 19th 2007, 07:20 PM

One pair of my albino bn always gives me regular bns but tonight I noticed this little guy with white on the dorsal and caudal fins. Was wondering what he would be called. Do the white tipped bns come from Albino parents?? Not the best pic, sorry. Also thinking maybe I should keep this guy and find a couple more and try breeding more like him/her. What do you thinK?

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a357/Pamela-jo/bnwithwhitetips.jpg

_BaDgUy_

Oct 19th 2007, 07:50 PM

The albino gene is a mutation of the color gene in some sort.

Once in a while, an albino pair which breeds true will give off a regular colored offspring, like the one you have!

Pamelajo

Oct 19th 2007, 07:57 PM

This pair always gives off regular colour babies, never seen one albino. Mother is a sister to my pair that give off only albinos but the father was given to me by a friend and looks like albino, but I believe he is the one responsible for the regular coloured babies. Hope that make sense!
I have never seen any of the regular babies with sooo much white especially on both fins and wondered if the ones they call white tipped or silver tipped come from albino parents (both or just one). And do they have the white on both fins??

_BaDgUy_

Oct 19th 2007, 08:04 PM

It all makes more sense now!! :eek:

Ok, seriously, I now really don't know!!

Maybe the albinos you have are from different species that can cross together...

Mother could be a cross between x and y
Father could be a cross between x and z
Offspring would most likely be all x, and once in a while a z in the group(which is like what you have), and a y once in a while, that looks almost identical to x....

It's a longshot, but it's the most logical thing I can think of!

Ancistrus sp. can quite probably all cross together to give off different offsprings!

Pamelajo

Oct 19th 2007, 08:16 PM

So what your telling me is this little guy with all the white is special???:yes:And I should keep him??

He reminds me of a seamed starlight L 183.

traco1

Oct 19th 2007, 08:23 PM

I would, just for looks alone!

Pamelajo

Oct 19th 2007, 08:29 PM

Thanks Barb he/she is pretty. Fingers crossed I can find some more in the next batch.

Katalyst

Oct 19th 2007, 09:22 PM

I'd definately keep him, otherwise I know this chick in North York who would def. want him. :rofl:

You've turned me into a pleco freak!

Pamelajo

Oct 20th 2007, 05:35 AM

Well if I can find more like him, I would like to breed them for the white tips. And you know any extras will be travelling to North York. The next batch is still too tiny to tell yet.

:offtopic:
So are you behaving and listening to the Doc? Pm me to let me know how things went on your trip home.
Got my first unit back and I passed, with 83%.

CACAdmin

Oct 20th 2007, 05:56 AM

He's a cute little guy... definitely a keeper.

Got my first unit back and I passed, with 83%.

Congrats! :Applaud:Keep up the good work!

Pamelajo

Oct 20th 2007, 06:03 AM

Thanks!

CACAdmin

Oct 20th 2007, 06:11 AM

Still :offtopic:
:secret:What are you doing here? Aren't you supposed to be studying or something? :;): Sure glad you manage to find time to drop by.:yes:

Pamelajo

Oct 20th 2007, 06:25 AM

Having my:coffee2: before I start getting ready for work. I worked all afternoon yesterday on my next unit and will be working on it again tonight. And poppin in here when I need a break. So what gets you up so early this morning or are you just getting in from working nights. What time is it there anyway, I am assuming your time is ahead or behind ours.

CACAdmin

Oct 20th 2007, 07:25 AM

You're right that I work odd hours. But I did get home early last night (7:45 pm). However, I woke up at shortly after 3 am. this morning because I fell asleep way too early last night. (lack of sleep over the past few days caught up with me) It's now 6:20 a.m. here. I too am having my morning :coffee2: ... :err: couldn't function without it. :twitcy: . Don't forget to feed the fishies! (mine aren't awake yet so I have an excuse).

Pamelajo

Oct 20th 2007, 07:32 AM

:coffee2: ... :err: couldn't function without it.
Me neither.

Don't forget to feed the fishies!
I won't.

It's now 6:20 a.m. here.
So your 3 hours behind us.
I have to start a 10 so will be leaving shortly. Do you work weekends too or just weekdays? Well if you are off have a great day.

Katalyst

Oct 20th 2007, 07:43 AM

Got my first unit back and I passed, with 83%.

Well of course you did! You are one smart cookie! :yes: And while working the whole time and having a family! Great Job!!!!
:red_dance: :Celebrate: :thumbup:

Melody

Oct 20th 2007, 09:24 PM

That one is what they call white tip, but the ones I've seen and have don't have as much white on the dorsal. Many only have a bit of white on the tail as well. Its a fish that could definitly be a breeder if you want to develop the strain into something superior. Hopefully he doesn't lose it as he ages. A lot of mine had their white turn yellow, which looks fine too. Its the width of the strip and matching dorsal that makes yours exceptional, regardless of what color it turns out to be.

Inbreeding may have made the wild pigment dominant in your Albinos, or made the albinoism triple recessive somehow. A dominant wild should be expressed though. It is definitly an exception to what I've seen in the hobby, but of course, most of my experience with albinos is in Livebearers.

There is more than one type of albinoism, contrary to popular belief. It can effect certain colours rather than all pigments, for example. It also doesn't necessarily result in a red eye. Maybe inbreeding resulted in one of these other types of albinoism becoming dominant. We call a creature that is totally lacking in colour a true albino, but that's more of a way to differentiate than actual fact.

Sometimes genes combine to make an exception and it would be fun to work with him. I'd cross the offspring back to the parents and cross siblings, just to see what happens.

Nice work on the test!

Pamelajo

Oct 21st 2007, 07:09 AM

Thanks Mel. The white tips I have seen too do not have it on the dorsal. This pic is terrible but it looks more white than the photo. I will definitely be keeping him and hope for more like him. These are from my wierd pair remember albino father from unknown genes I got from one of the snail people in the states and the female (siblings breed only albinos) is from a lady in Burlington.

CACAdmin

Oct 21st 2007, 09:10 AM

Good luck. I hope you do get more like him. It would be interesting to see how many offspring would have the same markings if you could breed two like him.

I have to start a 10 so will be leaving shortly. Do you work weekends too or just weekdays? Well if you are off have a great day.
Thanks. I worked weekends for years but now have them off (and spend them working on the site. :laugh: ) Hopefully, you get today off (to study and do the zillion chores around the house, of course, including water changes. :rolleyes: )

Pamelajo

Oct 21st 2007, 04:24 PM

Nope worked all weekend. Just got home 6:15 pm. Taking a short break then throwing in some laundry and unloading dishwasher then hitting the books. Will pop in later when I need a break.
This week has been nuts, my boss is out sick with shingles so I am covering what I can for her plus doing my own stuff.

CACAdmin

Oct 21st 2007, 06:06 PM

Isn't that always the way... just when you think things can't get more hectic than they already are, they do.:rolleyes:

Pamelajo

Oct 21st 2007, 06:35 PM

:confused: :twitcy: :confused: :SomebodyShootMe:

Pamelajo

Nov 22nd 2007, 08:47 PM

My little guy seems to be keeping his colours he is almost and inch long now. And looks like there might be one or two from the next batch that look similar.

Slipstream

Nov 22nd 2007, 09:12 PM

Do ya happen to have a better pic now? :smile:

Melody

Nov 22nd 2007, 09:19 PM

That's great! Even if they've been around before, I don't know of anyone who has worked on them as a different colour strain. If you keep selecting for the most white you'll have an exceptional variation in no time. I'll be your first customer. :yes: Thanks for the update, I'd be very interested in following the breeding program as you go.

grumpystiltskin

Nov 22nd 2007, 09:27 PM

Thats a really nice bn Pam, it must be fun breeding and seeing what you get,
im working hard at growing my plants, to do a swap:smile: once i repay Melody for the tons of fish she sent me:yes:

Melody

Nov 22nd 2007, 10:47 PM

LOL Melody isn't at all concerned.:smile:

Pamelajo

Nov 23rd 2007, 01:59 PM

I soon as I get this Unit done for school(Due December 1) I will take some time and try and take more pics.

CACAdmin

Nov 23rd 2007, 02:06 PM

That's be great, Pam. Love to see them. Does this mean you might get a bit of a break from school in December? (time to spend with your fishies, and us?... and you family of course.:wink: )

Pamelajo

Nov 23rd 2007, 02:20 PM

Our next unit gives us an extra week, the units are usually due the first Monday of the month the next one is not due til Jan 7th I think. So not too much extra.

Melody

Nov 23rd 2007, 06:48 PM

Our next unit gives us and extra week, the units are usually due the first Monday of the month it is not due til Jan 7th I think. So not too much extra.

You've totally inspired me you know. I want to enroll in something online but I'd probably keep putting it off if you didn't remind me with your updates :rolleyes: . I think it would be a great way to start the new year.:smile:

Pamelajo

Nov 23rd 2007, 09:02 PM

Melody's New Years Resolution is join up for an online course.

Pamelajo

Nov 23rd 2007, 09:22 PM

I was in the basement tonight doing laundry and noticed my Limia P. had fry so as I was catching them had a chance to take a closer look. There seems to be more than a few. It is weird out of all the other batches before these last two I never noticed any, not sure if I never really paid attention or they just not as nice.

Melody

Nov 23rd 2007, 10:06 PM

Melody's New Years Resolution is join up for an online course.

Now its in writing!

I was in the basement tonight doing laundry and noticed my Limia P. had fry so as I was catching them had a chance to take a closer look. There seems to be more than a few. It is weird out of all the other batches before these last two I never noticed any, not sure if I never really paid attention or they just not as nice.

Maybe you had good timing and the female had just given birth. They're one of my favorite Limias. :smile:

Pamelajo

Nov 26th 2007, 07:03 PM

More pics: I did not say they were good. The flash is making them a bit more yellow than they actually are.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a357/Pamela-jo/Whitetippedplecos005.jpg

Taking a liking to the snails Kat dropped off for me.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a357/Pamela-jo/Whitetippedplecos006.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a357/Pamela-jo/Whitetippedplecos003.jpg

A little sibling from the next batch.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a357/Pamela-jo/Whitetippedplecos004.jpg

CACAdmin

Nov 26th 2007, 10:40 PM

It's fun to watch how they busily scrub away at the snail shells.

Melody

Nov 27th 2007, 07:13 PM

They definitly have better and more consistent 'borders' than mine Pam, very nice!

KnaveTO

Dec 27th 2007, 03:29 PM

It is a cute little one that is for sure... most seaming on plecos will eventually dissappear over age. The L183 Starlight BN Pleco is one of the few that never losses it seams on the fins. However there is no accounting for genetics and how they play out here so good luck ;)

Pamelajo

Dec 27th 2007, 05:58 PM

Thanks Ross

DaFishMan

Jan 3rd 2008, 03:03 PM

"What do you call this guy??? "

I'll call him 'Fred' :err:

Pamelajo

Jan 3rd 2008, 03:18 PM

"What do you call this guy??? "

I'll call him 'Fred' :err:
Are you bored?? Fred!!!!:laugh:

Katalyst

Jan 3rd 2008, 05:50 PM

Are you bored?? Fred!!!!:laugh:

I'll have you know all great whites are called Fred!

Well they are in my head anyways! :laugh:

Pamelajo

Jan 3rd 2008, 07:34 PM

Well Kat that is totally explainable. Your simply nuts!!!:wink:
But it takes one to know one.:spinny:

DaFishMan

Jan 4th 2008, 08:19 AM

"Are you bored??"

Nope, it needed a name :)

And unlike sharks, they don't have big sharp teeth to worry about, and you can keep it in a 10g tank ! :wideeyed:

ChrissyFishy

Jan 4th 2008, 01:47 PM

Its not a fred :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: because hello dafishman it could be a GIRL!!!!!:laugh:

DaFishMan

Jan 4th 2008, 06:41 PM

Good call, now why didn't I think of that ? :err:

Melody

Jan 4th 2008, 06:59 PM

:rofl: Let's not put Mr. DaFishMan in charge of any scientific naming. He does enough damage with common names:rolleyes: .

Fred, he says.... :twitcy: .. poor Pam will be taking her thread and going home.

Katalyst

Jan 4th 2008, 08:01 PM

Well Kat that is totally explainable. Your simply nuts!!!:wink:
But it takes one to know one.:spinny:

:laugh:

Pamelajo

Jan 4th 2008, 09:04 PM

Dafishman I would like to introduce you to the real Fred he is the one on the right.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a357/Pamela-jo/The%20Farm/driving.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a357/Pamela-jo/The%20Farm/NewYears06013.jpg

DaFishMan

Jan 5th 2008, 09:59 AM

Pamelajo

Jan 5th 2008, 10:10 AM

That is Danny. He is supposed to have his head down and be working. But he is always posing for the camera. Fred has to give him a reminder every once in awhile. They no longer team together.
As Danny is now bigger than Fred and a bit silly. Dad does not think if Danny does something stupid that Fred will be able to kept him under control because of his size.
Dad know team's Fred with Lorne I will see if I have a pic.

Pamelajo

Jan 5th 2008, 10:16 AM

Lorne is the one on the left and is also bigger now. He is alot like Fred, but then again he is Fred's half brother.
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a357/Pamela-jo/The%20Farm/NewYears96006.jpg

CACAdmin

Jan 5th 2008, 01:01 PM

They're all such beautiful animals, Pam. And each with their own personality. Danny obviously would rather be 'on-camera'...lol. Thanks for posting their pics. As for Fred, I don't think he'd much appreciate having a fish named after him. :laugh:

Melody

Jan 5th 2008, 01:14 PM

"He does enough damage with common names" - like this.... MEENIE !!! :wink:

Nice horses Pam !
What is the name of the horse on the left ?
I have a similar bn to yours, approx 2yrs old, I think f/m.
If I get a pic of it would you be able to tell for sure ?

No bristles or very tiny ones at that age = female. Bristles especially a larger one on the nose and perhaps a visible 'diamond' or v-shape on the top & just below the head = male. Now you have to say I'm nice because I helped :Neener: . However, I'm sure our BN-Chick Pam could verify with a pic - she's a smart one!

FRED!!!! I love Fred. He's going to be mine when Pam gives him to me for Christmas one of these years.

KnaveTO

Jan 5th 2008, 02:16 PM

most males will have large bristles that form along the top of the mouth a single line up between the eyes and then 'v's out from there. Also with males the bristles will split at the top becomming a 'v' as well. Females on the other hand usually only have small bristles along the top of the mouth and will not split like the males do.

Pamelajo

Jan 5th 2008, 02:43 PM

So far all my albino females have no wiskers. The lf brown lace female that I had only had small bristles and none on top of her nose.

Melody

Jan 5th 2008, 03:25 PM

I've noticed that the females can have bristles or not too, which is a rather cool variant. My female White-tip has no bristles. The Black-eyed Gold BN (L144) females have a couple of very tiny bristles at the mouth. The female 'Starlights' had small bristles around the mouth too, as did the common BN species females that I had.

James

Jan 5th 2008, 03:49 PM

Whats wrong with a girl being called Fred, there was a boy named Sue, or are you all to young to remember that?

James

Melody

Jan 5th 2008, 03:59 PM

ROFL That was EXACTLY what I was thinking of when I read Chris's post. Talk about dating ourselves... :rolleyes:

Bill or George or anything but SUE! :laugh:

Pamelajo

Jan 5th 2008, 04:50 PM

Johnny Cash
Actually don't remember I am too young!!!
But heard him sing it a couple weeks ago.

Melody

Jan 5th 2008, 05:11 PM

I can still hear the crackle in the song from it being played on a record player...lol....my Father loved his music.

James

Jan 5th 2008, 05:57 PM

Must be nice to be so young Melody, I had two tours under my belt and back living wild when he recorded that song, LOL

James

Pamelajo

Jan 5th 2008, 05:58 PM

What two tours did you do?

grumpystiltskin

Jan 5th 2008, 06:48 PM

Johnny Cash
Actually don't remember I am too young!!!

But heard him sing it a couple weeks ago.

UHUMMM cough splutter :rofl:

Pamelajo

Jan 5th 2008, 07:16 PM

UHUMMM cough splutter :rofl:
:wink::FishOnDaHead:

We got new smilies.

LOOK
:SoHappyICould...: :hello: :happybday: :ChargeIt:

Melody

Jan 5th 2008, 10:22 PM

Must be nice to be so young Melody, I had two tours under my belt and back living wild when he recorded that song, LOL

James

<Peering> You don't LOOK much older than me ::D: .

Melody

Jan 5th 2008, 10:23 PM

:wink::FishOnDaHead:

We got new smilies.

LOOK
:SoHappyICould...: :hello: :happybday: :ChargeIt:

Never lose that child-like wonder Pam - its what keeps us young :wink:

Melody

Jan 19th 2008, 05:29 PM

How's the white border holding out Pam? I snapped a pic of mine this morning, full grown and no white left at all, but she never did have as much as yours.

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f227/canadiansinternetdotcom/MM-BNPleco-F.jpg

This is the baby I sent to you many moons ago, I believe. That's the most white I've seen on them:

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f227/canadiansinternetdotcom/MM-WhiteTipBNPleco-1.jpg

Pamelajo

Jan 19th 2008, 05:57 PM

Mine is still showing a good amount of white. I separated him to another tank with a couple more little ones that look promising.

Melody

Jan 19th 2008, 07:09 PM

Awesome... I wonder when they usually lose it? That would be nice to know. I don't remember when mine disappeared, but I don't think she was adult-size yet.

Pamelajo

Jan 29th 2008, 06:53 AM

My big guy was out and about last night and still has his white it does not look like it is decreasing. He disappeared before I could get the camera. The big guy and a few others are in with an male albino. Hoping eventually one will mate with him to see what I get and am going to keep a pair of the white tipped to breed to see if it the colour gets more predominate.
This is one from the next batch I have separated to keep. Will try to get a pic of the bigger one soon.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a357/Pamela-jo/FishJan2307006.jpg