Dogs seized!

[amaruq]

Here is article

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/dogs-kept-in-filth-darkness-98695059.html

Get the owner feels they weren't abused!!!!

Oh people like this make me furious!

They had the conditions on the TV news and OMG!!! It was a cabin they were all locked up in. They all have injuries or are sick.

They say the injuries are from fighting over food?

But the guy says it's peoples fault for just dumping their dogs.

What get's me mad is when they showed his house it looked nice????? Clean even????? So what the heck with the dogs???????

I wish they would up the laws on abuse of animals!

SICKENING what people do!

[CACAdmin]

It's very sad to see animals kept in such conditions. I don't understand how people feel that as long as the animals are well fed that their living conditions don't matter.

Pets are an option. If you don't want to take the time and trouble to give them proper care, then don't keep pets.

Hopefully, these dogs will find loving homes.

[Dandee]

It just sickens me to read about things like that happening. I feel the laws regarding bad treatment of animals are still not strong enough to deal with people like this. Lock them up and let them live in their own filth without proper contact like they did with those poor dogs. :no:

[GaryofMontreal]

I've seen similar things with cats - it's almost like there's a hoarder thing going on with animals, forgetting that the animals are alive. The situation reads a little unbalanced, to say the least.

[Blossom112]

For sure ,some kind of mental illness and people taking advantage of that by just dumping dogs on them ,made the problem worse.
I wouldnt say it is their falt ,they were doing the best they could ,giving the situation.
In their eyes they saved these dogs as they were just dumped and left for dead .
I could not imagine feeding 44 dogs that werent mine ...on dissability .....In fact I wouldnt have any animals if that were the case because I could not afford it !
poor people !!!!

Sorry , I see it differently.......and humans first ...why dont we see any volenteers going to help this couple out ?clean up their propertly .....ahh not good enought to help but good enough to dump!!!

Dont you people ever watch TV :-) horders is on mondays ,it is a mental illness......:radar:

[Melody]

I agree Doreen. In New Brunswick we had a lady in the area with mental challenges who took every stray, and offered to take more. Every once in awhile, the SPCA would clean it all up but she went back at it again. People openly talked about dropping them off to her, or having her come and trap stray cats. When mental issues are involved, anyone found to be taking advantage by dropping their animals off, etc., should be the ones who are arrested. :mad: She honestly thought she was helping them, but didn't have the means to take care of them. She'd cry when the SPCA took them because she didn't want them to be euthanized. The woman had a heart of gold, but her mental processes didn't work so well.

[GaryofMontreal]

I knew a woman in rural Ontario who had 150+ cats. She too was convinced she was caring for them, even though she put out enough food for a tenth of the number daily. The entire property reeked of droppings, and her son realized the neighbours were shooting cats that wandered on to their property, in fair numbers. The mother was blissfully unaware of the attrition in her cat herd, as she was truly unaware of how many cats were in that barn. She didn't seem to smell the odour, or connect the dots, but didn't seem outwardly like a person with psychological problems.
She was rescuing strays (which were them making many more strays) and thought of herself as quite an animal rights warrior. The situation continued until her own death.
In cases where dogs become the fixation, and cages are involved, that neglect comes to a head very quickly, but I suspect this form of compulsive behavior may not be as rare as you'd expect or hope.
We don't know the specifics of the case the article's about, but when this kind of animal neglect is done and the animals are not for sale (puppy pounds are a whole other area), alarm bells should go off for the people involved too.

[Melody]

It's sad, it's wrong, and it needs to be stopped - I don't want to take away from that fact, but the people involved aren't always the monsters that they're instantly judged to be.

We can't be expected to understand every facet or level of mental illness, but we do need to consider it and practice tolerance. If they'd call in a professional to work with the couple, they may see why what they're doing isn't helping the animals.

[Dandee]

There is situations where people play up the "I thought I was taking care of them" when in truth they knew what was really going on. Either way, it has to be stopped. If there truly is a mental condition, it still doesn't make what has happened ok. They need to be held accountable for what they did but also get some medical help for it.

[Blossom112]

I think the people who dumped the dogs in the first place need to be held accountable !!!'

I bet you anyone in that area that came across a dog went and dumped the responsibility on to them people as well ...so they didnt have to deal with it!
if everyone knew about the problem for sometime and just ignored it? (this seems to be the case)
dogs barking day and night and no one complained ?
I think there is more to the story ...

...abandoned those dogs were going to die .....no doubt about that .

that is just a fraction of dogs that are dumped on the side of the road in the country.
they should put more restrictions on people who get dogs buy and adoption.
maybe now they will do something in the area about animal dumping .

Small own where my mom was born in ,there was a dog abandoned and still is ...he needed surgery to amputate a leg everyone chipped in got the surgery and put him back on the street? ....he goes from house to house eating but no one letting him in ,he usually slept on my moms back porch ....I though gee this is strange and asked why no one called animal control ? well they all gave me a dirty look and said he is fine no problem leave him be. Imagine if they lived up here they would be frowned upon.
They think it is perfectly fine ,and I think it is wrong .....a difference in perception

[Melody]

I guess that's the thing, we can suspect the best in people or the worst in people but either way, we just don't know. What gets me is they had no motive - no dog fighting ring, no puppy mill... why would a 'normal' person keep that many animals, feeding them to a point where some were obese (on a pension, no less)? That doesn't sound like classic cruelty to me.

Certainly they shouldn't get away with it and I don't think anyone is suggesting that they should, those animals have suffered. Just what should be done about it is the question.

[amaruq]

17 more dogs seized! http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/17-more-dogs-seized-from-rural-residence-98729449.html

See the problem i have with all of this is the condition of these dogs. They had to know they were sick and wounds galore!

Something with that just doesn't sit right with me! An locked up in a windowless garage????? WRONG WRONG WRONG!

If their own place would have been a disaster maybe i would have sympathy.. but it was nice.

I just wonder if he was hoping the dogs would die and no one would know?

This is bad!

[vince0]

its really unfortunate that people with mental dissabilities tend to be left on the sideline of society... especially here in alberta.

[mdfa.ca]

This just makes me wanna cry. Won't comment on the "owners" as there are so many facets to this issue and I don't know them personally, but the poor, poor puppies....:no:

[Melody]

I hope those who dropped them off there will see the news, and I can't imagine how they wouldn't. But then again, if they drop them off there rather than the SPCA, how much conscience is involved?

Definitly the animals are what's important now, the rest is purely our imagination until the situation has been thoroughly investigated. I hope the majority recover and go to good homes... preferrably ones who don't drop them off when they're tired of them. Wouldn't it be wonderful if they could track down some of the former owners and hold them accountable too?

[amaruq]

I totally agree with Melody with finding former owners. They need a good smack in the head also!

[Dandee]

I do agree as well that the ones that dumped the pets should be held accountable too. It is a matter of trying to find out who they are though...which won't likely happen. I have taken in many cats myself that people dumped off by our driveway over the years. Some I have kept but others I found homes for as I know I cannot keep them all. Thankfully it has been a few months now since the last animal was dumped here (have had a couple dogs dumped as well).

[Blossom112]

I have to commend you Dandee for doing the best ! for those animals ,That were recklessly dumped and you selflessly took on the responsibility !

I agree with the "knock in the head " lol

Can you imagine dumping an aggressive dog on the side of the road ? then sticking it wih 40 other dogs ....cant imagine the terror the other dogs were in ....hate to think about it !
Having an aggressive dog myself ,I just cant imagine !

they should take pictures of every dog and post in the paper .....looking for the owners of these dogs ....if you have seen this dog with anyone please report !
Someone would get caught that way then checking through vets in their area for the people who mysteriously dont have their dog anymore!
if they dont have the dog anymore that would be suspect!
Not sure if they can be criminally charged ,but hit them where it hurts the wallet!
make them pay for vets and rehabilitation !

[Namor]

I just heard of this organization on the radio.-

http://www.pets2vets.org/

Not sure if there is something similar in Canada or not, but imo, it would be a wonderful thing too see. :yes:

[Melody]

I have to commend you Dandee for doing the best ! for those animals ,That were recklessly dumped and you selflessly took on the responsibility !

I agree with the "knock in the head " lol

Can you imagine dumping an aggressive dog on the side of the road ? then sticking it wih 40 other dogs ....cant imagine the terror the other dogs were in ....hate to think about it !
Having an aggressive dog myself ,I just cant imagine !

they should take pictures of every dog and post in the paper .....looking for the owners of these dogs ....if you have seen this dog with anyone please report !
Someone would get caught that way then checking through vets in their area for the people who mysteriously dont have their dog anymore!
if they dont have the dog anymore that would be suspect!
Not sure if they can be criminally charged ,but hit them where it hurts the wallet!
make them pay for vets and rehabilitation !


I love that idea Doreen! Even if they didn't find out who did it (and I bet they would find some), people might think twice before dumping them if they knew that every effort would be publicly made to find them. They could easily claim the dog ran away I suppose, but it's a start. A big reason for not taking them to the SPCA would be embarassment, so taking measures that might embarass them more could be effective.

We need to educate people too. A lot of people dump cats in the country where there's barns - they think they'll just join the barn cats and be fine, but that's not how it works.

This kind of thing is very emotional for pet lovers and it's natural to get angry about it. There's really no wrong way to react to it, because any of our reactions come from a loving and caring heart. I'm proud to know the people who carry those hearts around :Smile: .

[amaruq]

From what they said on the news only 20 of the 60 dogs will be adoptable :(

This just breaks my heart!

There was young pups among that mess also. They seem to be ok.

Don't no one kill me here but I don't agree with breeding for the sake of breeding. It makes me so mad to see pups upon pups taken to Humane Society just cause the owners didn't spay or neuter. I have never bred animals. Never will.

The fish is a bit different cause how really do you stop it and I really try not to. That's just me cause I am a worrier.

[Melody]

They must be serious cases - it's a little early for them to decide what they can work with and what they can't. They would normally be focused on their health for now and then work with them when they're healthy to determine adoptability, unless they're exceptionally vicious of course. But they're the experts, so there must be something up.

It's officially against our rules to kill people :laugh: . That'd get someone banned for sure!